Trying a different schedule: New posts on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. More time for reading and commenting, and I’ll have breathing room for new BBB goodies, collaborations, and microconsulting.

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When I introduced my strategic collaboration consulting idea earlier this week, anything could have happened in the comments area. Thankfully, I got the same encouraging and helpful feedback BBB commenters give all the business bits that get posted here. And as always, I appreciate every word of it!
We had a good giggle about the alleged cleverness of my 140-character microconsulting service—which inspired yesterday’s Super Genius post—but the larger discussion ignored the nature of my services, and even the technology I’ll use to deliver them. Instead, we bantered about how much I wasn’t charging for it.
Both Chris Guillebeau and Shawn Christenson commented that my proposed $65 per one-hour session was too low. Their li’l duet harmonized with a chorus of offline voices including, and especially, my cheerleading whip-cracking business coach Christine.
This week has seen a lot of asking, listening, and reminiscing on the Consulting Rate Tango, which is sorta like the Annual Salary Boogie
. The conversations were spun with anecdotes and recollections…some funny, some not-so-funny.
In no particular order, here are some snippets on the hazards of assigning a monetary value to precious intangibles: our skills and our time. Names have been changed to protect privacy, of course:
Anecdotes
Shena was referred to an organization by a friend who had been invited to bid on their project, but was unable to schedule it in. The organization welcomed Shena’s bid, and she offered her well-qualified self at the hourly rate she knew her friend would have charged. The organization balked at the price and offered her 25% less than what she asked. She accepted their reduction with good grace, suppressing a victorious cheer. What they were willing to pay was three times the hourly rate she’d charged her most recent client!
A short email from Stephanie: “Thought you’d be interested to hear that after laboring for 3 days over what I should charge that client, I finally, about 15 minutes ago, emailed my numbers to her (which were higher than what my head was saying and slightly lower than what my gut was saying) and literally within one minute, she’d written back to say, ‘Sounds good. We don’t need a new contract. Let me know when you want more money.’ Guess I coulda asked for more! All’s good.”
Darlene found the online job board that listed the new position at her small company. She was stunned by its $75,000 starting salary. The job description was a match to hers, except for an additional year of experience and a premiere IT certification. She’s studying like a woman-on-fire for those exams, because a $750 investment in testing fees has a potential ROI of $20,000 per year. Of course, she printed the job notice to hand to her boss with her exam results, just to make sure they’re on the same page.
Robin’s consulting rate sheet has two columns: a New York market price column for the North Atlantic states, and a much discounted rate column for the South. Clients in both regions are content with her rates, and so is she.
Recollections
Many years ago, Andrea and I argued bitterly on pricing ethics. The story: Her non-mutual friend charged a company $10,000 for an employee survey database consisting of one table, one form, and a handful of reports—it took the guy less than two days to assemble it. The client was delighted with their overpriced deliverable, Andrea was amused at her friend’s cleverness (and the company’s ignorance), and I was appalled by the whole damned thing.
I once undervalued (and underbid) a database/website project so badly that by the end, I made far less than the US minimum hourly wage. That was an awful feeling. But what soured me on future project work, maybe for all time, was overhearing the contractor billed the client for at least three times my foolishly low subcontractor’s bid…and thereby got a big fat lion’s share of the cash. It was my own doing, there’s no one else to blame. But of course, I was appalled by the whole damned thing!
Having shared those, here a quote from the Greek historian, Herodotus—
It is better to be envied, than to be pitied.
I called a freelance writer for a quote on some copy. He offered me a reasonable price with a 25% discount if I promised not to be a pain in the ass. I paid him full price, saying there was no way I’d forfeit my PITA rights for $30. Sure, I could’ve taken the discount, but I value his time and help more than that.
Back when I regularly visited a salon, the posted price to tame my mop was $45, but I always paid my stylist $60. The shampoo staff expected a $2 tip, but I always gave them $5. Then, like now, I didn’t have money to throw away…but my hair works my nerves, y’all. What those professionals can do in 3 hours with a smile takes me 8 hours of pained sighs. I’m exhausted and snarky when I’m finally done. Their help is worth more than they ask for, so I give them what it’s worth to me.
Jonah said it’s impossible for me to value my own knowledge effectively. He says what I think my knowledge is worth is irrelevant. He says to consider two things only: 1) How valuable is my knowledge/expertise to someone who doesn’t have it and needs it?, and 2) How much are they willing and able to pay for it? He says it’s too easy to take my skills for granted and undervalue them, simply and specifically because they’re mine.
Takeaways
These stories have bits worth simmering on when considering the true monetary value of our time. Here’s a summary:
- Price your value by the market, not your rate/salary history.
- Price your value by your client’s locale, not your own.
- Get feedback on your value from people that you trust. You may not know best…or most.
- Words are feedback. Body language is feedback. Facial expressions are feedback. And so is silence.
- Choose a fee/rate you can live with, even if it means losing the gig as the highest bidder.
- Set your rates a bit higher than you think you should. Smarter to offer discounted rates to your budget clients than try to raise your rates for those with deep pockets.
Et tu? Have you got your own stories and rememories? Different takeaways, too? Lemme know down below!
Thanks Crystal,
This was a very thorough piece today. I’ve had to go through the same thing, just recently, as I’ve put up my shingle locally for some resume consulting services (more on that in my post tomorrow).
I’ll be setting my rates based on the market, and the client locale. Though I could charge much more in the city, I don’t live there…
(And then I’ll *finally* have something for you later in the week… !)
Hi Brett—Thanks! They’re all good stories, and it’s good to think on all the different experiences.
Based on the armloads of stories I collected in just a week, there’s a lot of pricing going around. Good luck with your new project, and tomorrow’s post!
(And no hurry, no worry!)
A tidbit I just found at BizWarrior Online that’s an interesting addition to this—
“The point is that you do not need to have the cheapest price in town. You simply need to stimulate the curiosity of consumers, and give them something they want to spend their money on.”
The original post is: $175 for a Burger?!?!
I like the quote about PITA rights; that is hilarious but also true.
Recent blog post from Chris Guillebeau: 10 MORE Things I Wish I Knew Before Traveling: Blogger Roundup
@Chris—It really is both hilarious and true. I don’t intend to be a PITA, but I’m not one to intentionally limit my options
Thanks for a smart round-up of POVs and experiences. As an hourly consultant (who hates to pay hourly and therefore has some flat-fee package deals), I’ve told one obstructionist client who asked for fortune-telling (time estimate) on a revision project that “I charge $XXX to make it better, but I charge $XYZ to make it worse.”
Your PITA rights is a perfect way to look at it! Thanks for the smart post~
@GirlPie Perfect answer!!
I love it! Love it! And tagging estimates as “fortune telling” is exactly right, isn’t it? *sigh* Always a challenge, but if we keep track of our time per job, we at least have some data to work with for the next one.
Time tracking is working for me so far. I packaged the collaboration consulting sessions as an hour (and priced it accordingly) because in my experience, those kinds of interactions very rarely go over 90 minutes. Usually an hour + 15 minutes. It takes a lot of brainpower, and it’s a lot of information to absorb too.
For certain, back in the day I was so wary of looking super-greedy that I underestimated half a dozen projects…worried I’d offend the potential client with too big a price. Same with salaries when I had a ‘real’ job. Can’t say that method ever worked out well for me. That was the old me, this is the new me.
Your ” $X for better, $Y for worse” got a long loud laugh. Unforgettable, inspiring stuff. Big thanks
Crystal, I’ve never tried offering different rates for different locales. That’s something I might want to experiment with.
That lesson of not bidding too low is one of the hardest lessons to learn as a service provider. But, always bidding low puts yourself into a pattern of a destructive “scarcity” mindset, and you’re almost forced to eventually break out of it.
Recent blog post from sterling: Magento – Revolutionary eCommerce for Small Biz
@Sterling—Different prices/different locals is a little interesting, isn’t it? It was particularly vital for Robin because the cost of living between New York City, where she has heaps of contacts, and North Carolina, where she lives, are way different.
She’d look cheap (and likely maybe even amateur) with the way lower NC rates in NYC, and potential clients would think her mad if she proposed her relatively vast NYC rate down there. Better all around to have different rate lists.
Yup, low bidding is a lesson to learn early on something small, and only have to learn once. Ask me how I know! Oh wait…I already told ya
Thanks for your comment!
@Crystal – The region-based pricing has led me to think of region-based services.
I have a few clients in Hawaii. My specialty is eCommerce, butit’s more expensive for them to sell things online because of the shipping costs. Hawaii also has a very unique culture, so I should create a services page just for potential clients in Hawaii.
As for bidding low, I’ve had to learn that lesson a few times myself. And if I ever get a weird feeling that I’m bidding too low, I slap an additional 25%-50% markup on it just in case.
Sometimes it works out strategically if the opportunity is right. I did a site for a reduced price that led to a handful of full-priced sites from a client. It can be a good way to demonstrate the quality of your work to someone who could potentially bring you a lot of business. But you have to set the expectation that the initial low-cost trial version is a one-time thing so they don’t expect it on future projects.
Recent blog post from sterling | bizlift: Magento – Revolutionary eCommerce for Small Biz
@Sterling—All of that, every word, rocks. Big thanks!
A services page just for your Hawaii-based clients, goes right with your Targeted Homepage = LOVE post, and feels a bit like my article on navigation labels for DailyOm: If we know who’s coming, it’s hospitable, profitable, and sensible be a good host/hostess by suiting their needs as best we can.
And I promised myself no more project work estimates ever (I know, am I bitter much?) but I like your Weird Feeling Markup. Thinking back, that method would have saved my heiny every time.
This may require a rethink! You and GirlPie are so good about setting customer expectations on price, you’re setting an example for me and anyone else out there who overthinks offending potential clients with prices—to their own disadvantage!
Time tracking is a good starter base, but since each client, and their material I’m working with, is so different it can be a trap.
But to the point of location-related rates, I have international clients and add a fee to phone consultations for overseas assignments — the time difference is a killer — deadlines lose a day or two!
I’m in LA, so if my Hawaii/NYC clients want calls that are grossly outside my (long) office hours, I’ll tell them what it will add to the fee.
It’s not just about how much they’re used to paying for an hour, but WHICH hour they want!
@GirlPie—You are hereby proclaimed the Goddess of Boundary Setting. I genuflect, to thee! LoL
Also, many things I hadn’t yet considered, like time differences, and work hours?! I figured I’d work those things out as they came up, but I’d better get them straight for the product pages…huge thanks.
“…WHICH hour they want!” Wow, the wonders of international commerce and communications. Amazing!
Crystal,
You’re welcome, thank you, thank you (and thank you – you’re too patient!)
Recent blog post from Brett Legree: never be complete.
@Brett—Now that’s a first! No one has ever told me I’m too patient. How cool. Thanks for that, maybe I’m becoming an adult after all?
Dan would disagree with vigor, I feel sure, and tell you about my opening one particular Christmas present on Christmas Eve because I was so very sure I’d die in my sleep and never know what was in that little box (IPOD!). He was floored that once I knew I wrapped it right back up and put it back under the tree. I didn’t have to have it right then, I just couldn’t stand the suspense!
So no telling Dan, lest he bust my bubble. I think we’ll keep the ‘Crystal is too patient’ thing between you, me, and the Internet.
Crystal,
You made a lot of really interesting points here, and the comment conversation was worth coming to the party late for.
GirlPie cracked me up with XYZ to make it worse and which hour do they want. Tough talk and humor. Wonderful.
Maybe I live in the middle-of-the-road pricing region. I’ve never considered either lowering or raising prices based on client location. I don’t concentrate on getting far-flung clients, but they’re welcome, and I don’t hear balking or laughing at the prices being too low.
All clients have to pay us for site travel if they’re out of the region, but we charge what it takes to get us there (gas stinks everywhere) and what it takes to keep us there (hotels vary widely), and we don’t have any secrets about that.
The rest of the work is the same no matter where the client is, so I charge what VisionPoints has to have to keep running, based on how long projects take and how tight we like to wear our belts.
My favorite bit was this: “Choose a fee/rate you can live with, even if it means losing the gig as the highest bidder.” If you’ve thoroughly researched your time and costs, I think you can do no better than to lose a few in that way. Even the ones who don’t go with you will have a lot more respect for you if you stick to your guns.
(Of course you might have to wear that belt a little tighter now and then…)
Regards,
Kelly
Recent blog post from Kelly: Giving the Cow Away, but the Milk’s Not Free!
Howdy Kelly—Based on the stories I’ve heard, including the comments above, if you potential clients aren’t balking or complaining OR saying “Is that all?”, or replying quickly as if to clinch the deal before you change your mind, your prices are probably perfect!
As for choosing a rate you can live with, tight belts are rarely fun, so there will likely be times when we will take what we can get, and like Sterling said, some opportunities are worth “eating little to eat long”. But we’re hurting ourselves when that’s our default mode, ya know?
Great comment, thanks!
Reading all of these pricing victories/lessons learned is a big encouragement to me since this is something I’m starting to take a lot more seriously by valuing myself more than I had in the past.
I loved Jonah’s take that knowledge and skill isn’t really what matters in pricing. It’s all relative to the client’s own understanding and constraints. It reminds me of the classic pricing triangle where you’re given 3 options – Time, Cost, Quality – and you’re only allowed to pick 2 for your project. You can get it quick and of good quality, but it’s going to cost a ton.
Also the salon example reminded me this Dwight Schrute quote.
“Why tip someone for a job I’m capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.”
What to charge is a dilemma and your post brings up many of the factors to consider. I have been on both sides of this fence.
When I was an independent consultant I charged a lot but compared to what a client would have to pay for a consultant from a big firm, who probably had less than half my experience, I was cheap. Put what you charge into context and you can probably charge more than you think you can.
I also consider the value of what we are bringing to the table. We recently had an assignment from a new client. I told then it would be $X per month to manage the day-to-day work involved with their online advertising. If they wanted us to contribute to their positioning / product development then that would cost $150K since they would reap the long-term benefits of our contribution. They paid us an additional $125K for this service. My boss was very impressed.
As a purchaser of freelance talent I pay top dollar to a select group. They are all very good, read quick, and always come through for me. If they don’t then I don’t continue to use them. Because I pay top dollar they are usually available to help me out. I also try to minimize the PITA factor. This also helps with their availability
Finally, if you don’t get turned down 20% of the time you aren’t charging enough.
Recent blog post from James Hipkin: Small Business – Is the Internet Right for You
James has a goof point: the VALUE of our service to the client. Something I say in the first 10 minutes of a consult may eventually reap that client millions (ridiculous but true in my industry.) I don’t take a cut of that possible profit, but them knowing that it’s POSSIBLE (even if it’s a longshot) will help them pay/justify the steepest of fees.
Thanks for drawing so many smart comments to your prime post. Your blog serves a double-shot of savvy!
Hi Jeremy, James, and GirlPie! I’m turning in early for a change, but didn’t want your great comments to go unacknowledged until tomorrow. Will respond when I’ve had some sleep in me
CW
You aren’t paid what you’re worth, you’re paid what you negotiate!
You’ve learned some valuable lessons with pricing. Working as a consultant for many years, I found that there will always be lower priced. I try not to care what the competition is charging, but offer the best service that I can, depending on the work being performed. It’s very evident that the market can only bear certain prices, but I’m willing to bet it’s more than I’m charging now myself.
Recent blog post from Barry Wheeler: Online Reputation Management: Fact or Fiction?
@Barry You are the man. Definitely, as you say, we’re better off if we watch the market for a price range perhaps, but not the individual competitors. Not for pricing, anyway
I was absolutely shocked to hear that a vendor was charging $25,000 to develop 2 PowerPoint decks (50 slides each). Even more shocking is that someone paid them. With that in mind, it is likely that someone is ALWAYS charging more than us.
That lesson of not bidding too low is one of the hardest lessons to learn as a service provider. But, always bidding low puts yourself into a pattern of a destructive “scarcity” mindset, and you’re almost forced to eventually break out of it.